Dennis Palumbo, M.A., MFT is a writer and licensed psychotherapist in
private practice, specializing in creative issues. His new crime novel,
Mirror Image
(Poisoned Pen Press), was published August, 2010. He's also the author
of Writing From the Inside Out
(John Wiley), as well as a collection of mystery short stories, From Crime to Crime (Tallfellow
Press).
Formerly
a Hollywood screenwriter, his credits include the feature film My Favorite Year, for which he was
nominated for a WGA Award for Best Screenplay. He was also a staff
writer for the ABC-TV series Welcome
Back, Kotter, and has written numerous series episodes and
pilots.
His first novel, City Wars (Bantam Books) is
currently in development as a feature film, and his short fiction has
appeared in Ellery Queen's Mystery
Magazine, The Strand
and elsewhere. He provides articles and reviews for The New York Times, The Los Angeles Times, The Lancet, and many others. His
column, "The Writer's Life," appeared monthly for six years in Written By, the magazine of the
Writers Guild of America. He's also done commentary for NPR's "All
Things Considered" and blogs regularly for The Huffington Post.
Dennis conducts
workshops throughout the country. Recent appearances include the Family
Therapy Network Annual Symposium, the Association for Humanistic
Psychology, Cal State Northridge, the American Society of Journalists
and Authors, PEN West, the Writers Guild Foundation, the Los Angeles
Psychoanalytic Society and Institute, the California Association of
Marriage and Family Therapists, Screenwriting Expo, USC, the Romance
Writers of America, the Nieman Foundation, the Directors Guild, and
UCLA.
His work helping writers has been profiled in The New York Times, Premiere Magazine,
Fade In, Angeleno, GQ, The Los Angeles Times and other
publications, as well as on NPR and CNN.
A graduate of the University of Pittsburgh and Pepperdine University,
he serves on the faculty of UCLA Extension, where he was named
Outstanding Teacher of the Year.
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Interview with
Dennis Palumbo
Norm Goldman, publisher and editor
of Bookpleasures.com is pleased to have as our guest Dennis Palumbo, author of From Crime to Crime: Mind-Boggling Tales
of Mystery and Murder, Writing From the Inside Out and soon to
be published Mirror Image.
Dennis was formerly a Hollywood screenwriter (My Favorite Year; Welcome Back, Kotter,
etc.), and is now a licensed psychotherapist in private practice in Los
Angeles. He specializes in helping new and established screenwriters,
directors, and novelists address creative issues, as well as those
involving mid-life and career transition.
NORM: Good day Dennis and thanks for
participating in our interview. How did you get started in writing?
What inspired you to write your first book? What keeps you going?
DENNIS: I
wrote a lot in college, for the school newspaper. Then, after
graduation, I worked in advertising, writing copy. It wasn’t until I
moved from the east coast to LA that I began writing commercially. I
tried my hand at everything--spec TV scripts, short stories,
whatever--and, strangely enough, when I finally started to sell things,
it all happened at once. The same year I started work on the ABC-TV
series Welcome Back, Kotter,
I also sold my first mystery short story to Ellery Queen’s Mystery Magazine,
and my first novel (City Wars,
a sci-fi thriller) to Bantam. So I think that early success was just a
combination of hard work and pure, dumb luck.
The inspiration for my first book, City
Wars, came, believe it or not, from watching football. Since the
competing teams represented different cities, the announcer would say,
for example, “It’s Pittsburgh versus Cleveland,” and I thought, “What
if cities actually warred against each other?” So I worked up the idea
of a distant future when the country was made up of city-states, like
Sparta and Athens, and fought against each other. In City Wars, Chicago
and New York are at war.
What keeps me going, after all these years? I just love writing.
Actually sitting there, putting words down, seeing where the characters
and situations are going. I’m sort of curious to see what my
imagination will come up with.
NORM: Do you
write from your own experiences? Where do you get your information or
ideas for your books?
DENNIS: I
write a great deal from my own experience. For example, in From Crime to Crime, my collection
of mystery short stories, most of the stories feature a group of
guys--what I like to think of as “Desperate Husbands”--who meet every
Sunday afternoon to eat deli, discuss politics and, through a strange
set of circumstances, find themselves caught up in solving crimes. The
guys call themselves “The Smart Guys Marching Society.” Well, I was
actually part of a group of guys who did in fact meet every Sunday for
many years, and called ourselves by that name. Of course, the only
mystery we ever tried to solve involved a missing tub of artichoke dip,
but I used the basic reality of our friendship and those weekly
meetings as the foundation for my whodunnits.
As you might suspect, I also use my experiences over the past 20 years
as a licensed psychotherapist to inform and inspire story ideas. My
upcoming novel, Mirror Image,
has a therapist narrator, which allows me to use many of these
experiences to enrich the story. It also takes place in Pittsburgh,
where I was born and raised, so I get to re-visit some of my favorite
haunts from when I was a kid, and then later a student at the
University of Pittsburgh.
NORM: What's
the most difficult thing for you about being a writer?
DENNIS: Two
things, I guess. The first is just finding the time. I have a full-time
private therapy practice, as well as a family, so finding the time to
write is difficult. It was much easier in my former career, when I was
a screenwriter. All I had to do all day was write. The other difficult
thing, which has remained constant over the years, is the demands I put
on myself to grow in craft and relevance as a writer, to push myself to
try different things. Since I was a kid, I was admonished to “live up
to my potential,” whatever the hell that means…and I’m always
struggling in terms of whether I’m actually doing that or not.
NORM: What do
you see as the influences on your writing? Is there anything you find
particularly challenging in your writing?
DENNIS: Since
most of my fiction-writing is in the mystery genre, I have many
wonderful influences, from Michael Connelly and James Lee Burke to
Elmore Leonard and Richard Price. I was a college student when I first
read Chandler and Hammett, and still regard them with a kind of awe. I
also liked Ross MacDonald’s Lew Archer novels.
For me, the most challenging aspect of crime or mystery writing is the
plotting. Making sure there are enough twists and turns. I so enjoy
creating characters and writing their dialogue--probably a left-over
from my TV and film-writing days--that it never feels like work.
Plotting, on the other hand, always feels like work to me.
In terms of my nonfiction writing--for newspaper Op-Eds, the Huffington
Post, book reviews in The Lancet, etc.--my influences range all over
the map, from Adam Gopnik and Lewis Menand to David Foster Wallace and
Annie Dillard. Too many to name, really.
NORM: Do you
feel that writers, regardless of genre, owe something to readers? If
not, why not?; if so, why and what would that be?
DENNIS: I
feel that writers, first of all, have a responsibility to their own
talent. A duty to hone their craft, to grow and explore and try things.
And, yes, I do think that, regardless of genre, writers owe their
readers something: to do their best, to write with integrity and
sincerity, to never talk down to the reader or write “beneath their
gifts,” as an old writing teacher of mine once said.
NORM: Can you share a little of your current work with us?
DENNIS: I’m very excited about my upcoming novel, Mirror Image. It’s the first in a
new series featuring Dr. Daniel Rinaldi, a psychologist who consults
with the Pittsburgh Police. He specializes in treating the victims of
violent crime--those who’ve survived the armed robbery or kidnapping,
but are left traumatized. When one of his own patients is brutally
murdered, and it soon appears that he himself, not his patient, was the
intended victim, Rinaldi becomes involved in the case. At the same
time, he begins a stormy relationship with a beautiful Assistant DA,
while possible suspects from both his personal and professional life
continue to emerge. Until a second, completely unexpected murder throws
the search for the killer into an entirely different direction.
What made the writing of the novel so engaging for me was that I was
able to weave together aspects of my clinical training at a psychiatric
facility, my current experience in private practice, and the police
procedural details of a mystery thriller. I also enjoyed setting the
story in Pittsburgh, my home town. It’s an amazing place, an amalgam of
old and new, a shot-and-a-beer town that’s collided with the
Information Age. The steel mills I used to work at in the summers
between college semesters are all gone; in their place are sleek,
modern buildings where software designers and MBA’s work. Blue collar
turned to white collar--but with the vestiges of the old Pittsburgh I
grew up in still felt around the edges, still apparent in the venerable
turn-of-the-century buildings, the ethnic neighborhoods, the immigrant
values and loyalties. It’s a fascinating place, and a great environment
for a murder mystery.
NORM: In
fiction as well as in non-fiction, writers very often take liberties
with their material to tell a good story or make a point. But how much
is too much?
DENNIS: I
think every astute reader can feel in his or her bones when a story or
situation has so strayed from the possible or likely that the narrative
suffers. As writers, we need to find that balance between reality and
the demands of our imaginations, so that there’s always verisimilitude.
For example, in Mirror Image,
the clinical material I present conforms with our current understanding
of psychological theory and practice, including how and when patients
are institutionalized, or how medications can be used or abused. At the
same time, I take advantage of the usual mystery convention--which is a
huge liberty
in terms of actual police work--which assumes that the two
investigating officers working with Rinaldi only have this one
case to solve! The real police detectives I’ve met often have to
negotiate a dozen ongoing investigations.
NORM: Could
you tell us a little about how you help established screenwriters,
directors, and novelists address creative issues? What exactly is this
all about?
DENNIS: That
question is too big to answer briefly…so naturally, I’ll try. As a
therapist with years of experience as a working writer, I think I bring
a unique perspective to the issues my patients struggle with. And, on
the whole, it’s become clear to me that most problems that writers deal
with are inextricably bound up in their personal issues. A writer
dealing with procrastination, for example, might in fact be using
procrastination as a way to ward off fears of shameful
self-exposure…fears which may likely be the result of early childhood
experiences.
Or take writers’ block: being blocked creatively is a common occurrence
among many writers, yet if you give the fact that you’re blocked a
self-incriminating meaning,
you make the pain and frustration even worse. You see the block not
just as a fact in itself, but as a shaming comment on you, your
abilities, your ambitions. Though, funnily enough, I actually believe
that writers’ block is good news for a writer: it usually means the
writer is about to undergo a growth spurt, to increase his or her skill
level in craft and personal relevancy. In fact, I see blocks as
positive and inevitable developmental steps in the maturation of a
writer. Just as a toddler must struggle to master the developmental
step of walking, so a writer must master the developmental step of
working through a block. Maybe the writer’s blocked because he or she
is changing genres, or writing something more autobiographical for the
first time. Regardless of what’s blocking the writer, his or her growth
as an artist depends upon navigating the block. I think the proof of
this is simple: I’ve rarely met a writer who--having worked through a
block--hasn’t considered him- or herself a better writer on the other
side.
Lastly, in terms of my work with creative patients, there’s still a
great deal of “regular” therapy involved. Artists of all stripes have
to deal with anxiety, depression, relationship difficulties, career
dilemmas. Often substance abuse as well. And as I mentioned, these
personal issues are always bound up in whatever “creative” problems the
patient is struggling with. My job as their therapist is to help them
identify the underlying causes of these problems, and hopefully
develelop with them some tools with which to address them.
Gee, it still turned out to be a long answer!
NORM: Does
your writing career ever conflict with your career as a psychotherapist?
DENNIS: No, I
think the two careers benefit each other. My own issues with writing
help me relate to my patients, for one thing. Also, since most of my
patients are in the entertainment industry--TV and film writers,
directors, composers and actors--and I now write only prose, our
respective fields of endeavor rarely intersect. With my novelist and
journalist patients, I believe the occasional similarities between our
writing worlds actually helps reinforce our therapeutic bond.
Moreover, since my therapy practice is my “day job,” I get to write
only what--and when--I like. So rather than presenting a conflict, my
writing life is a nice adjunct to my career as a therapist.
NORM: Where
can our readers find out more about you and your books?
DENNIS: They
can go to my website, www.dennispalumbo.com. I also invite them
to check out my regular blogs on The Huffington Post, where I comment
frequently about media, writing and psychotherapy.
NORM: Is
there anything else you wish to add that we have not covered?
DENNIS:
Nothing I can think of at the moment. I just hope your readers found
this interesting and informative. And I want to thank you for asking
such informed, thoughtful questions. This was a real pleasure.
NORM: Thanks
once again and good luck with all of your future endeavors.
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